Gmail bug? Conversation labels do not apply to new messages

Gmail has a nasty bug (or quirk) that I have only just discovered. It explains why I sometimes have trouble searching for specific emails in my archive. To use Gmail effectively you will need to know about this bug, and how to avoid it.

Background

In Gmail, messages are automatically grouped together into a conversation based on the subject line of the emails. When you reply to a message, or receive a new message with the same subject line, it is added to the conversation.

You can apply labels to a conversation to help organise your archive, and to make it easier to search. For example, I label any JetS3t-related emails I receive with the “jets3t” label. Once I have done this, any responses I send or replies I receive can be found by searching for conversations with the “jets3t” label.

Label Granularity – Conversation or Message?

I had assumed that Gmail applies labels at the conversation level. The UI presentation implies that this is the case, because the label names are displayed at the top of the conversation and it is not possible to apply labels to individual messages. However, it seems that this is not the way Gmail works.

Instead of a label being applied to a whole conversation, it looks like the label is only applied to the messages in a conversation at the time you add the label. Any messages that are added to the conversation later on will not inherit this label.

Misleading search results

I have found several examples where label-based searches that seem straight-forward will not return the results you expect. Two particularly nasty cases where your search results may be misleading are when you apply a star to an individual message in a conversation, or if there is an attachment later on in a conversation. Let’s look at a real example of the latter case.

I received a JetS3t-related email with a feature request. I applied the “jets3t” label to this conversation and then replied. After a couple of emails back-and-forth, I sent a message with a PDF file attachment to the person who requested the feature.

Now, let’s say I want to find all the JetS3t-related conversations where I have sent or received an attachment. The obvious search to perform is:

label:jets3t has:attachment

However, this does not include my email in the results. I know it should be there, so what gives? I try listing all the messages that have the “jets3t” label:

label:jets3t

This search returns a list of conversations that includes the one in which I sent the attachment, along with hundreds of others. I can also find this particular conversation by searching for all of the messages in my archive that have attachments:

has:attachment

So why doesn’t the joint search (

label:jets3t has:attachment

) find this conversation? Because although the message I sent is inside a “jets3t” conversation, the message itself is not associated with this label. The message is only loosely associated with the “jets3t” label because it happens to belong to a conversation in which other messages have this label.

To make this particular search perform properly, I forced Gmail to associate every message in the conversation with the “jets3t” label by re-applying the label to the conversation. After doing this, the joint search finally returned my email in its results.

Beware

This Gmail quirk makes it difficult to use label-based searches with confidence. Unless you perform the tedious work-around of manually re-applying your labels every time a new message is added to a conversation, you cannot be sure that searches against a label name and another criteria will return all the results you would expect.

This bug will affect any message-specific search criteria. In addition to the starred message and attachment cases I have mentioned, it will also affect searches against specific recipients or senders, and searches against particular dates. You should also be aware that the date shown next to a conversation in a label view can be misleading, as it shows the date of the last labelled message rather than the date of the last message in the conversation.

I have found a couple of mentions of this issue, one going back a long time, so I can only assume that this bizarre and opaque behaviour is the way it is meant to be?

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  • Paul

    I’ve had the same problem trying to use search reliably in gmail, and I must say it’s really annoying. Haven’t figured out how to fix it, other than re-applying labels all the time. Grr.

  • Willy

    I just came across this bug (feature) on my iPhone! The iPhone doesn’t combine e-mails into conversations, so when I go look at my labeled e-mails, it won’t return any e-mails sent after the original conversation labeling.

    Has there been some official recommendation for this yet?

  • http://www.jamesmurty.com James Murty

    As far as I know, there isn’t any official recommendation or work-around besides remembering to manually re-apply labels fairly regularly. It’s a shame, because the issue makes labels much less useful than they would otherwise be.

  • B D T

    Thanks for the post. I’m having the same problem, and it took me a long time to figure out what was happening. It’s infuriating and, and you pointed out, the display is misleading. I hope this can be addressed in a future Gmail release and done so in a way that doesn’t require me to re-apply labels to my thousands of messages.

    Note: I discovered this when trying to use the “Multiple Inboxes” feature in Labs to isolate inbox messages by label. It doesn’t work when the messages won’t appear in the first place.

  • http://www.paulsolt.com/ Paul Solt

    Wow. Thanks for the info, this is a bug I ran into and couldn’t figure out a work around until reading your post.

    I had an issue where I had labeled a message last year and the email thread had continued this year. I archived the message and then was unable to find it without searching a few pages of archived messages on the label. I reapplied the label to the message thread and now the most recent message is the first one for the label.

    This bug probably also explains why I thought the Gmail search was broken. Messages are not appearing where I expect them to based on the latest message.

    The label bug is completely unintuitive and should be addressed. They pushed labels so heavily by making them a permanent part of the UI, but they’re completely broken for any archived thread.

    • http://www.jamesmurty.com James Murty

      I agree that this is a very annoying issue, but unfortunately it has been around for a long time now so I’m not expecting Google to change the behavior.

      I suppose it’s not technically a bug, more of a mismatch between how labeling works behind-the-scenes and how it is represented in the UI. Still, as you say, it makes label constraints next to useless for searches because you can’t be sure that a label has been applied to all the messages in a conversation thread.

  • http://saqibali.net Saqib Ali

    Hello James,

    Did you hear back from Google on this issue? This bug is bugging us a lot :)

    Saqib

    • http://www.jamesmurty.com James Murty

      Hi Saqib,

      No, I never heard back about the issue or found a good work-around. When it is important to keep my GMail labels applied to all messages in a conversation, I manually select all conversations with that label and re-apply it. It’s a pain.

      • http://saqibali.net Saqib Ali

        James,

        We opened a ticket with Google regarding this issue. Their response was that this was “expected” behaviour and that the users should advertently apply label to each message. :(

        Although the result may be “expected”, it is not correct. Forcing the gmail user to advertently label each message is defeating the functionality of a conversation thread. People think of conversations when using Gmail. That’s the gmail usage pattern. They don’t think of individual messages. When a user applies a label to a conversation, all the individual messages in that conversation should get that label, regardless of when they arrive in the Inbox. If the message is part of the conversation, it should have that label.

        I hope Google fixes this issue soon.

        Saqib

  • Linda

    Has anyone used the script found on this page:
    http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/12/fix-gmail-label-issues-with-an-app-script/

    Any thoughts about it?

    Anyone seen any other scripts like this they have used and trust and like?

    • http://saqibali.net Saqib Ali

      Hi Linda,

      Thanks for sharing that script. It works rather well. It labelled all the messages in the conversation thread that didn’t have the labels. But I only have about 4500 conversations in my gmail. So I am not sure how well the script will work for gmail Inbox with 10s of thousands of conversations. Unfortunately Google Apps Scripts have a time-out of 5 mins, so this script might fail for Inboxes with 10s of thousands of conversations. Hopefully somebody with lot of emails in their Inboxes will be able to test this script. If so, please share your findings.

      Thanks,
      Saqib

    • http://saqibali.net Saqib Ali

      just as I suspected, the script timed out on a gmail inbox with 19,000+ emails :(

    • http://saqibali.net Saqib Ali

      Hi Linda,

      There are couple of updated scripts that fix this issue in the Gmail Inbox. The scripts are posted on Stack exchange:
      http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15234882/need-help-optimizing-a-google-apps-script-that-labels-emails/15681361?iemail=1&noredirect=1#15681361

      Saqib

  • http://saqibali.net Saqib Ali

    Linda,

    I have posted this script on the stack overflow to see if someone can optimize it to handle inboxes with 10s of thousands of messages:
    http://stackoverflow.com/q/15234882/420558

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